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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Shagdasty on November 12, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
Hi
I have a 1992 Capri n/a 97,000 mi. it's one of my daily drivers. I just picked up a 1991 Capri XR2 that 129,000 mi. it was wrecked on the right front. The guy I got it from sold it to me thinking the motor was trash. I just got it running and it seems to be in good shape (other than the wreck and the parts the guy removed)
 
I'm looking for info so that I can make a swap. I have noticed the n/a has the same wiring harness. But will the instrument cluster and turbo parts plug in and work? If the XR2 wasn't wrecked so bad I would swap the other way.
 
Any information or websites you could provide would be greatly appreciated
 
Thanks
 
Shagdasty
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 12, 2008, 01:54:00 PM
Hey Shaggy! Though I don't know this to be a fact in our Capris' case, the automakers generally make "one" wiring harness for a model of car. They make it to fit all options and just don't use the unneeded plug sets. Thats why when one checks under their hood and sees extra plugs they don't have the option that uses them. One can have a car with manual windows and door locks but the plugs are there in the harness if you want to later convert to electric. Anotherwards, Pull that Turbomotor and transaxel out and transplant it. The plus for the turbo conversion are there and are the least of your worries.  Good Luck and let us know how you did.  Gus
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Shagdasty on November 12, 2008, 02:15:00 PM
Thanks Gus
So you feel the instrument cluster should be plug-n-play.
Any thoughts how to check the operation of the Turbo with out driving the car?
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: 1992xr2 on November 12, 2008, 02:55:00 PM
Try grabbing the shaft on the intake side of the turbo and moving it around. If there is any perceptable play it's probably near dead.  You can use a bike tire hand pump to check the action of the wastegate.
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: drbob on November 13, 2008, 07:28:00 AM
looks like you were writing prOn, get you mind out of the gutter and put it under the hood.
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 13, 2008, 12:30:00 PM
Hey Shaggy! Instrument cluster is plug-n-play  Gus
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Yuri on November 14, 2008, 01:46:00 AM
you're going to want to swap nearly erverything from the xr2 into the n/a...every part of the drivetrain is beefier on the xr2. Someone on the forums here has a list of what all is different... Depending on the damage to the xr2, it might just be easier to use the n/a as a parts car and to fix the xr2.. how bad is the damage?
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 10:03:00 AM
I meat one guy who has XR2, he is like 45 50 year old and did not care obout cars and I looked under car and there is everything same, brake are the same, only diffrent are sway  bars and engine   :D    , meybe shocks to I don't know.

take the sway bar from Xr2 and put on NA,change angine, transmision and  ECU I think that's all
I meant boot staf and all that staf, radiator is the same
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Rocketman on November 19, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 19, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
Hey D! I think Rocketman is glaring because you don't pay much attention. I realize you must be broke and can't afford the payments on attention. But the entire drivetrain is different between an N/A and an XR2. Yes you could bolt just the engine in place but the transmission and axles and brakes are all bigger to withstand the increase in horsepower and stopping the car.  Gus.
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 01:23:00 PM
I did not read other peoples posts(at this time)
But i will take pictures of my brakes and then I will show you Xr2 picture and let see if you see difference, I will go and take wheel of now and I will put pictures in 15 minutes
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 19, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
Hey D! you're not gettin it. Your car won't be an abnormality.  Gus
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 02:14:00 PM
there is front brakes + shock

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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 02:16:00 PM
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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Rocketman on November 19, 2008, 04:29:00 PM
Oh yes! Because I can tell the rotor diameters from those pics! And the axle spline numbers! EXACTLY the info we need to know!

You might also note that some N/A's were equipped with XR2 brake equipment because it was in surplus in the later years! (93 + 94) Ford knew the Capri was going down and started equipping cars with the parts they had laying around. If you look at parts catalogs they list a 9 3/8" rotor for the N/A and a 10 3/16" rotor for the XR2. They will have corresponding differences in calipers. Check the build date of your 93. You have an N/A equipped with XR2 brakes. This has been documented on other late model N/A's before.

Yes, he can swap the entirety of the XR2 bits over. The XR2 transmission, axles are different. I'm fairly positive the end axle spline count is different making the spindles in the hubs different.

There are a few differences in the harness. There are a few specific connections that are different (the automatic got its own specific harness) On an N/A there are no provisions for knockbox wiring.

Look, I dont know who you are but or what your education base is, but just because your car has something does not mean its the same for every other car out there. Please stop spreading misinformation on this forum, we have been fighting for so long to get good reliable information about these cars.
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 19, 2008, 05:26:00 PM
this guy  has 1992  and maybe he has xr2 brake who knows, noone asked him about that, axles are differen because xr2 manual has  left short and right side different connected on block and NA has left short and  right long,
i do not have education, becouse I am hight school student junior,have junior license and breaking law every morning driving to school    :D  

It's means i have  Xr2 brakes???
what about shocks??
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 19, 2008, 08:36:00 PM
Hey Rocketman! if you're speaking to me then I stand corrected on the brake issue. My '91 n/a parts car with auto trans does have knock-box connector hanging there and has all other provisions for turbo car. Also not stated in this exchange is that the turbo car has a larger clutch and different gearing. The '94 turbo has a quicker steering rack also.  Gus
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: CapriTypeR on November 19, 2008, 08:49:00 PM
Hey Gus-- Nice Rack!!  (http://graemlins/tounge.gif)
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 20, 2008, 06:12:00 AM
Hey Russ!  I'd send some pictures of nice racks but I still don't know how to do that and this is a family forum and it would not be proper.  Gus
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: yen on November 20, 2008, 10:03:00 AM
HA! thats a good one!
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Rocketman on November 20, 2008, 10:48:00 AM
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Hey Rocketman! if you're speaking to me then I stand corrected on the brake issue. My '91 n/a parts car with auto trans does have knock-box connector hanging there and has all other provisions for turbo car. Also not stated in this exchange is that the turbo car has a larger clutch and different gearing. The '94 turbo has a quicker steering rack also. Gus
I was not referring to you.

I'll have to check my N/A harness. Its been over a year since I went over it but I did not see plugs on for the knockbox. I could be wrong.

I do know that on the ECU side of things there is no wire for the boost cut switch coming into the plug for the ECU. There were two other wires missing as well I think one was ignition/knock related. I ran across this while working on piggyback harnesses for my Megasquirt. Every other nonturbo ECU plug I have worked with has had the same 3 wires missing so I know they are fundamentally different in some way.
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on November 20, 2008, 12:30:00 PM
i have knock wire under hood but i don't know anything about box

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Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 20, 2008, 05:57:00 PM
Hey Rocketman! I do deeply respect your knowledge, and I am still learning a lot about these cars. It's very unusual for the manufacturer to make several harnesses, as quantities are always in mind and added expense of 2-3 and plugs on a harness is viewed as minimal verses stocking several different harnesses for different options with-in a car model. And "D", the knock-box is on the turbo car only. It temporarily shuts the motor off if it detects the knock of detonation. Again only on the turbo-motor. It sure didn't keep me from burning a piston last year.  Gus
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: Gus Kelley on November 25, 2008, 05:11:00 PM
Well Guys! Today I went out and looked at several variations in equipt Capris.The wire harnesses in the engine bay are indeed different for each of the N/A manual, N/A auto, and the XR2. So if you are changing from one variant to another you'll have to change harnesses(preferred) or cut and splice in plugs if needed. What a nightmare!  Gus.
Title: 1992 Capri n/a-1991 Capri XR2 swap
Post by: D22A on March 22, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
rrrrrrr  my car started cnocking, ROD BEARING , i buying 1993 SL monday and will swap engine form there
i wish i keeped my capri  :(