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Tech, Repairs, Upgrades => Brakes/Suspension/Tires/Wheels => Topic started by: Rocketman on August 11, 2010, 07:10:00 PM

Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on August 11, 2010, 07:10:00 PM
Front hubs require machining (easiest) or fairly precise hand-grinding for the Galant rotors to fit. The hub gets machined so the hat of the rotor fits over the hub.

You need to take apart the stock hub setup, remove the old brake rotor, drive out the old lug studs & install new longer studs. Its a good time to replace your bearings and seals.

The proper rotors to use are 89.5 Galant rotors - 266mm (10 15/32) Please note there are also 256mm (too small) and 276mm rotors (the 276mm is the VR4 rotor. it requires too much grinding in the caliper throat and wont add any effective braking area)

The caliper needs to be ground out in the throat to clear the edge of the rotor. It does not need much with the 266mm rotors.

The Escort caliper will bolt right to the stock knuckle.

Use this as a general guide:  http://323gtx.homestead.com/brakes.html (http://323gtx.homestead.com/brakes.html)

And heres a comparison pic, stock vs. Galant upgrade

  (http://www.werbatfik.com/uplimg/HPIM0091.jpg)

Figured I'd throw this info up as a sticky.
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: rcdraco on November 22, 2010, 10:15:00 AM
Can you please post the proper part numbers for these rotors?
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gostlrs on November 22, 2010, 11:04:00 AM
http://323gtx.homestead.com/brakes.html (http://323gtx.homestead.com/brakes.html)
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on November 22, 2010, 11:22:00 AM
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Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gostlrs on November 22, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
I know......
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: rcdraco on November 22, 2010, 03:17:00 PM
So basically you're saying buy those korean rotors from KVR, via corksport. $80

I could probably get a nicer set of Centrics for less, using a part number that autopart stores recognize.  Can get these for roughly $25.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1279674 (http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1279674)

My question is are these the correct rotors.
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: bhazard on November 22, 2010, 04:16:00 PM
266mm is what the guide said right?

The difference is the expensive rotors are slotted and zinc coated. Nothing I really care about...
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on November 22, 2010, 04:21:00 PM
Quote
The proper rotors to use are 89.5 Galant rotors - 266mm (10 15/32) Please note there are also 256mm (too small) and 276mm rotors (the 276mm is the VR4 rotor. it requires too much grinding in the caliper throat and wont add any effective braking area)
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gostlrs on November 23, 2010, 05:00:00 PM
Who cares where you get them from..personal preference..


I have ran Ebay specials for a long time with no problems..
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: rcdraco on November 24, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
My point is that if I go into an autozone, napa, or what have you and ask for M1332 rotors, they'll tell me there is no such thing.  It's not a recognized part number.  The rotors listed for the 1989 galant are 120.46014, Centric is a globally recognized brand.  Say if Corksport or whoever drops those KVR rotors, there's no interchange for that number to a brand name rotor.  But brands like Centric, Raybestos, Brembo, and Bendix are recognized brands that any auto-parts store can interchange part numbers from if they don't have that particular brand.
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on November 24, 2010, 04:13:00 PM
I dont have the particular part numbers. I went into my local parts store and gave them the info, and made sure the measurement was correct and ordered them, had them a few days later. There were a few brands to choose from I went for something reasonably priced. I didn't need any part numbers i just told them the car I needed them for...
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gostlrs on November 25, 2010, 06:21:00 AM
Ya, they can tell you the diameter of the rotor..thats how you know if you got the right one!
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: PCFree on September 19, 2011, 04:50:00 AM
The center of the hub extends out to center the rim on it and transfer the weight & torque from the rim to the hub. By adding the rotor to the outside, you space the rim off the hub and the center of the hub doesn't reach the rim. Thus, the load of the rim isn't carried by the hub, it is carried by the studs and lug nuts. These are only engineered to hold the rim to the hub and not carry the weight and torque of the vehicle. Thus, doing this "upgrade" puts you in danger of a stud failure and a wheel coming off.
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on September 19, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
I'm aware of what a "Hubcentric" wheel is. This is a hotly debated topic across the internet, feel free to research it - plenty of info out there. Most people with aftermarket wheels are not hubcentric anymore, either. It's generally regarded as a "do so at your own risk, but it's unlikely you'll have a problem"

You could have hubcentric ring adapters made up if you wanted.

FWIW: I've put on over 20,000 miles since doing this upgrade, zero issues whatsoever. There have been some GTX guys running this upgrade since the early 2000's as well, when this upgrade was first "invented"
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: rcdraco on September 19, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
Sounds like my old tire guy who told me he couldn't fit my lugcentric wheels without a hub adapter.
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: PCFree on September 19, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
I'm just out of my element, I guess. I grew up in the Pro-Street era where a s#!t load of torque was transferred from a hub to a rim to the point the tire was screwed to the rim to keep it from spinning on it. All my spacers are machined to accept the original hub's center support and also has it's face machined to support the rim. I was a frame tech for over 30 years and I have seen when "do it at your own risk" fails. I have seen cars improperly modified for everything from lowering and hydraulic suspension gone wrong to cars completely collapsing in a bad way with people shredded inside.
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Chicken on September 20, 2011, 06:14:00 AM
Mr. PC,  What material do you machine your spacers from?
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: PCFree on September 20, 2011, 09:10:00 AM
I would have to ask my machinist what he uses but they are steel because of the 2" offset I use, the spacers are fit with their own studs. I've only done spacers for my Sonoma 4dr. Seems the rear end is WAY too narrow. Noticed it the first time I drove it in the snow and saw the rear tire imprint completely between the front tire imprint. I put steel rims on it for the winter and used 2wd rims on the back. The two inch difference put the tires perfectly inline with the front and looks a whole lot better in the wheel opening. Thus, to use the factory alloy rims which are all 4wd rims, I had my machinist create the spacers. In the Pro-Street days, we narrowed rear ends to fit our application. We then used rim off-set to center the tires in the wheel-well.
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: newboyracer on November 22, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
I just finished doing this upgrade to my car today. I got everything from a local parts store. I got the calipers from a 95 escort and I told them it had 14 inch wheels so the would give me the right caliper.  I had to turn my hubs down .540 in to get the rotors to slide over nicely with just a little play.  I didn't have to grind the caliper throat at all to get the 22v 14 calipers on. The only adaption I made to the brake lines was to cut off the little tab because it didn't line up on the new calipers.  I even used the same banjo bolts!!!  The stopping power with this upgrade is significantly better and was needed with all the mods I've done. Figured I'd add this info as its all stuff I learned from actually doing it as opposed to reading about it on here!  (http://smile.gif)
Title: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: mazdaspeedcapri on December 22, 2012, 04:28:00 AM
hey so i clicked the link to get the part numbers and wut not, but it was a deadend it just took me to a blank homestead page
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on January 22, 2014, 10:04:03 PM
Hey guys - In a Nov. 22, 2011 post in this thread, "newboyracer" said he had to "turn my hubs down .540 in to get it to get the rotors to slide over..."  What does this mean? 
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on January 23, 2014, 01:35:33 AM
It means he machined .540 inches from the original outside diameter to get the rotor to fit

Welcome to the forum, by the way!!
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on January 23, 2014, 03:47:59 PM
Glad to be here!  Waaaaayyyyy out of my element, but learning as I go.  So the 95 Escort caliper is a clean fit for the big brake upgrade?  also, in your lead-off post, I think you said the front hubs require machining.  Do the rear hubs require machining as well?  Or do you only do this brake upfit on the fronts?   
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on January 23, 2014, 04:39:58 PM
This upgrade is fitted to the fronts only. In the rear, the rotor is part of the bearing assembly & hub itself, making upgrades very difficult.

Yes, calipers for the 95 escort will fit.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on January 24, 2014, 03:32:05 PM
Are these the rotors we're talking about?

http://www.carpartsdiscount.com/auto/parts/catalog/86/mitsubishi/galant/disc_brake_rotor.html?3593=118419

266mm (10.5")
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on February 20, 2014, 10:55:24 PM
Just checking around - is this a possible rotor candidate?  (1990 Infiniti M30).  Centric 121.42013 Disc Brake Rotor, Rear.   
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on February 20, 2014, 11:53:26 PM
Just checking around - is this a possible rotor candidate?  (1990 Infiniti M30).  Centric 121.42013 Disc Brake Rotor, Rear.   

Not at all for the front, it's a solid unvented rear rotor, you do not want that on the front of your car.

The one you posted from carpartsdiscount appears to be the correct rotor
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on February 21, 2014, 08:56:04 AM
Thanks Rocket.  we may need to open up a "remedial" section on the forum for guys like me! 
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on March 18, 2014, 04:11:45 PM
To put in the "for what its worth" category.  The folks over at the mazda site say the upgrade does not require upsizing to a 15" (or larger) wheel.  They say it works fine on a stock 14" wheel. 
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Chicken on March 19, 2014, 12:04:40 PM
Yep "14 is fine.  Good Note!

Any less offset than a couple mm and you'll be needing spacers.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on March 19, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
Noted, thanks!

I've had my BB upgrade done on the GTXR2 for many, many years now. I was pretty certain I had fitted stock wheels to it as some point but the memory unit has fogged over on that one. Still too much snow on the ground to go out and try it, stuff is taking its sweet time to melt.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on April 03, 2014, 09:57:58 PM
So tell me about this grinding out of the caliper throat.  I'm having a little trouble getting enough rotor clearance to allow the caliper to bolt up to the knuckle.  (does that make sense?)  it also looks like some modification to the brake pad guide pins make be needed to get clearance.  Is this normal for this project?  It looks like I am just millimeters away from being able to bolt up. 
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: grantduffield on April 04, 2014, 10:47:05 PM
And to answer my own question, I'm thinking that the 1988 Mercury Tracer knuckle is not identical to that of a 1991 Capri n/a.  The rotor is the correct size (266mm / 10.5").  The caliper is the Ford Escort V22.  The knuckle is an *almost* fit.  But - "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.  The caliper mounting bolt insets (what would you call those things) are .25 of an inch off center with the caliper bolt guides (and therefore the pins).  Ay Carumba!
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: greywolf27030 on August 06, 2014, 09:37:43 AM
This is really cool info.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Kev93 on January 10, 2016, 11:20:50 PM
This is really cool info.

Yes; however, the link that Jamie/Gostlrs put on page one a few years ago (looks like he posted it at least twice) is now dead.  Anyone got that writeup posted somewhere else?
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on May 19, 2016, 12:34:28 PM
Anyone know exactly which studs to use? rx7?
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: azgtx on May 19, 2016, 05:06:21 PM
Mazda B2000 truck

Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: chrispoe on May 19, 2016, 07:22:19 PM
You can also use the 91-96 Escort GT studs too
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on August 24, 2016, 11:14:46 PM
These are the right calipers right? http://www.ebay.com/itm/282147052763
Also would I need to order a new set of wheel bearings? Also what part of the hub needs to be ground down?
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: chrispoe on August 25, 2016, 10:26:39 AM
No, those are 22V-13 calipers, you want the 22V-14 stamped calipers from the 91-96 Escort GT or any 97+ Escort.

It’s recommended to change the bearings and seals since it’s apart already, but usually not required
You need to grind down the four corners of the hub around the wheel studs to make the  rotor fit.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on October 23, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
Holy hell, is it difficult to find slotted rotors for this mod...
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on December 27, 2016, 04:03:44 PM
FYI: the link for the bulk of the upgrade is down.

Also, I am finding that only the rear rotors for an 88-89.5 galant are 266, and most front are 257mm, as far as anything other than standard vented disc OE go. This is just my resources available from O'rielly, though. To include Keystone, Raybestos, Powerstop/Stoptech/Centric...Is it indeed the rear rotors that would be used?
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on December 27, 2016, 05:31:31 PM
Gaz use this it lets you go back and see the link.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040723222738/http://www.323gtx.homestead.com/brakes.html
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: azgtx on December 27, 2016, 09:07:14 PM
The rotors are from the 88 ish Galant and yes you want the 266mm front rotors and they are vented, trust me I have done this before. They are out there. The rears are solid so you will not use those..unless you have a GTX and upgrading the rears. You might have to grind a bit out of the caliper as well...some have done it with out grinding. You will see. It is up to you but I prefer to have the hubs turned down on a lathe as opposed to grinding them. You could also have hub centric spacers made but not all that necessary, just a bit better as opposed to lug centered. If you are going to the trouble of doing this why would you not go all the way and put in new bearings. That I cannot understand.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: chrispoe on December 27, 2016, 09:12:47 PM
CENTRIC 12146014

266mm front rotor
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on December 28, 2016, 02:56:16 PM
The rotors are from the 88 ish Galant and yes you want the 266mm front rotors and they are vented, trust me I have done this before. They are out there. The rears are solid so you will not use those..unless you have a GTX and upgrading the rears. You might have to grind a bit out of the caliper as well...some have done it with out grinding. You will see. It is up to you but I prefer to have the hubs turned down on a lathe as opposed to grinding them. You could also have hub centric spacers made but not all that necessary, just a bit better as opposed to lug centered. If you are going to the trouble of doing this why would you not go all the way and put in new bearings. That I cannot understand.
Clay I was asking because I allready replaced the bearings just 5k ago.  I wasnt sure if they were a one time use only thing.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on January 02, 2017, 11:10:11 AM
I think you all might have misunderstood the bulk of my statement, in that it is almost impossible through my systems at O'Reilly's, to find slotted or specialty rotors in 266 millimeters, under that application. You can obviously find them online, my statement was saying I couldn't find them through my store in any other flavor than the standard vented disc variety.

The rotors are from the 88 ish Galant and yes you want the 266mm front rotors and they are vented, trust me I have done this before. They are out there. The rears are solid so you will not use those..unless you have a GTX and upgrading the rears. You might have to grind a bit out of the caliper as well...some have done it with out grinding. You will see. It is up to you but I prefer to have the hubs turned down on a lathe as opposed to grinding them. You could also have hub centric spacers made but not all that necessary, just a bit better as opposed to lug centered. If you are going to the trouble of doing this why would you not go all the way and put in new bearings. That I cannot understand.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on January 02, 2017, 01:35:10 PM
CENTRIC 12146014

266mm front rotor

O'Reilly part number is 8204rgs
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: DarkAngel on January 03, 2017, 11:47:24 AM
What type of brake pads fits  the 22v 14 front caliper?

The studs are knurled m12x1.5 and I'm thinking about 45mm ? for this upgrade... I suppose the length also depends which rims you are going to use... how long are the original studs (that are 6mm too short for the Galant brake upgrade)

You guys rock  :o
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: azgtx on January 03, 2017, 08:53:19 PM
I get it on the bearings but anytime I go in I replace the bearings. Hard to tell once you start pressing on them to get the thing apart what can happen. New bearings take all the guessing out and 40.00 is better than taking it all apart again.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on January 03, 2017, 09:54:14 PM
What type of brake pads fits  the 22v 14 front caliper?

The studs are knurled m12x1.5 and I'm thinking about 45mm ? for this upgrade... I suppose the length also depends which rims you are going to use... how long are the original studs (that are 6mm too short for the Galant brake upgrade)

You guys rock  :o

You shop for pads for the appropriate Escort that the calipers come from
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: DarkAngel on January 03, 2017, 10:04:42 PM
I found some off the dusty shelf out the back NOS 22v 14 callipers... unloaded.

edit: Maybe I'll just take the calipers down to the brake shop, and find something suitable to fit in store.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on January 04, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
C473 in Brakebest was what I think would work. (O'Reilly)
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: chrispoe on January 04, 2017, 10:49:15 AM
What type of brake pads fits  the 22v 14 front caliper?

The studs are knurled m12x1.5 and I'm thinking about 45mm ? for this upgrade... I suppose the length also depends which rims you are going to use... how long are the original studs (that are 6mm too short for the Galant brake upgrade)

You guys rock  :o

All 97+ Mercury Tracers and 98+ Ford Escorts use the 22v-14 calipers. You can even use the Capri’s pads too, but they're about a half inch shorter height wise and won’t be as resilient to brake fade as the larger ones.


The Capri’s front studs are 36mm long. 
So you can use the 91+ Ford Escort or the 90+ Mazda 323 studs, they’re both 42mm long. In fact most FWD Mazda cars from the early 90’s thru the early 2000’s use the same lug studs.


Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: greywolf27030 on January 05, 2017, 09:15:57 AM
You never fail to amaze me......

Jack Byrd
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on March 23, 2017, 12:27:48 AM
I give up. Who has a part number for at least slotted rotors?
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Btown on May 28, 2017, 06:52:00 PM
I give up. Who has a part number for at least slotted rotors?
Any luck Gaz?
Looking at these is Australia
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/401302733204

The Calipers you guy talk about from a 95 Escort, I am thinking it is the Ford Laser here in Aus. But checking the stamp will guide me I guess.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Gaz on May 29, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
I give up. Who has a part number for at least slotted rotors?
Any luck Gaz?
Looking at these is Australia
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/401302733204

The Calipers you guy talk about from a 95 Escort, I am thinking it is the Ford Laser here in Aus. But checking the stamp will guide me I guess.

Holy hell, my hero! Sure are pricy, though. Also, doesn't state the bolt pattern. The pictures are five lug...somewhat disconcerting.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on June 17, 2017, 11:09:18 AM
RockAuto does show some Powerstop slotted rotors, and cheap! But the only ones with dimension descriptions are 256mm,  :(  if you want to try the Centric ones, I'd call them for diameter check first.

My Galant big brake upgrade notes:

A link that still works...

http://www.trinituner.com/v4/forums/viewtopic.php?t=161940 (http://www.trinituner.com/v4/forums/viewtopic.php?t=161940)

TeamCapri says that the Centric 121.46014 (266 mm) for 88 Galant but RockAuto does not show that number.

RockAuto has the following:
I found the 91 Dodge Colt Vista 4wd front has that fitment. They show a Raybestos 8402R as 266mm

Under 85-87 Galant with front disk/rear drum
Beck/Arnley 0832313 matches and has better specs and only $7.65 each!
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=492701&cc=1206065&jnid=655&jpid=16 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=492701&cc=1206065&jnid=655&jpid=16)

I ordered those, but when they arrived, I was alarmed at how heavy they were, and that Rocket's original post shows a pic of almost square vent holes in his rotors, the beck-arnly's seem to have such thick friction slabs that the vents are rectangular slits. I thought I should try another brand of 266mm rotors so, for only $4.84 each, I'd try them as well.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/bendix,141320,rotor,1896 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/bendix,141320,rotor,1896)
(Bendix 141320)

Once those arrived they proved to be identical to the Beck-Arnlys, so I guess now I have spares since the ship back cost is more than the refund! Aah, but they were very cheap.

They also show the Centric 12146014 (not as nice but seems to confirm the fitment)


Also the 1998 escort loaded caliper....
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2055732&cc=1420467&jnid=1002&jpid=32 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2055732&cc=1420467&jnid=1002&jpid=32)

Rear brake clips and hardware:
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2027608&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=11 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2027608&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=11)

Hope these include the bearings and seals, but I'll have to ask...
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=391397&cc=1196636&jnid=377&jpid=7 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=391397&cc=1196636&jnid=377&jpid=7)

Probably not, so here are the bearings...
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=4583841&cc=1196636&jnid=379&jpid=16 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=4583841&cc=1196636&jnid=379&jpid=16)
And..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=4583859&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=11 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=4583859&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=11)
Of course seals..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=498860&cc=1196636&jnid=375&jpid=1 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=498860&cc=1196636&jnid=375&jpid=1)

Pads, I thought ceramics would be cleaner on the chrome wheels...
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1053933&cc=1196636&jnid=378&jpid=32 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1053933&cc=1196636&jnid=378&jpid=32)

Rear nuts..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1975490&cc=1196636&jnid=379&jpid=2 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1975490&cc=1196636&jnid=379&jpid=2)
And..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=15686&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=3 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=15686&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=3)

Front..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=15682&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=1 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=15682&cc=1196636&jnid=374&jpid=1)

Front bearings - inner and outer are same..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=220156&cc=1196636&jnid=375&jpid=20 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=220156&cc=1196636&jnid=375&jpid=20)

Lug studs for the last gen escorts, checking fitment, these also are found on most Focuses as well:
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2002,escort,2.0l+l4+dohc,1420502,wheel,lug+stud,7680 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2002,escort,2.0l+l4+dohc,1420502,wheel,lug+stud,7680)

Front seal..
Inner..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1117995&cc=1196636&jnid=376&jpid=10 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1117995&cc=1196636&jnid=376&jpid=10)
Outer..
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1117732&cc=1196636&jnid=376&jpid=11 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1117732&cc=1196636&jnid=376&jpid=11)

Now, a disclaimer: I haven't recieved my hubs back from the machine shop yet, so I can't confirm much. I'll post when they come back and I can test fit everything on my spare set of nuckles (from the 94 N/A I stripped).
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Btown on July 31, 2017, 05:27:38 PM
I give up. Who has a part number for at least slotted rotors?
Any luck Gaz?
Looking at these is Australia
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/401302733204

The Calipers you guy talk about from a 95 Escort, I am thinking it is the Ford Laser here in Aus. But checking the stamp will guide me I guess.

Holy hell, my hero! Sure are pricy, though. Also, doesn't state the bolt pattern. The pictures are five lug...somewhat disconcerting.

In the description it states 4 hole, just can not rely on photo🙁.
And wow what an information blast.
Thanks for that it is awesome
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: greywolf27030 on July 31, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
WOW

Jack Byrd
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on July 31, 2017, 11:25:51 PM
I got the hubs back from the machine shop and they did not quite fit. I had them cut down .54" (dia.) but they caught on a ridge on the inside of the rotors, which Matt mentioned. I provided a rotor to test fit but the shop didn't take the hubs down enough. My coworker who just retired had previously run a machine shop and he finished them on his lathe for me.

However, I've been a little too busy to start the project, and everything is sitting on my bench. My OEM brakes still work decent with a small amount of pulse, and the pads have about 10k left on them, so I have a little time to get around to it. I would do the mock up test on my parts, but I have to put the seals on first and pack the bearings to get started, but I'm too busy painting my windows (house). I will try to post a completion to this project later this summer.

I probably won't get them on by the MACG, but maybe I'll throw them in the trunk for some discussion. I noticed that some said that NA knuckles are too small, but the 94 pair I have appear to be the same as my 91 XR2 brakes, but I won't be sure until I take off the XR2 brakes some weekend in August when I get back.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on August 20, 2017, 10:40:16 PM
Ok BBU update. I've been enjoying driving instead of fixing the XR2 for the last half of the summer. So, here's where my big brake upgrade sits.
(https://s30.postimg.org/5r3s3nnkx/image.jpg)

I decided to mock up the fitment with my spare knuckles from the 94 N/A I stripped. Well, some say N/A knuckles won't work, but I used them along with the old seal, the spacer and the old bearings which I honed out a few thousandths so I wouldn't need a bearing puller to disassemble it later. I was able to prove that the parts I listed do in fact work. The only modification that was done was to turn down the hub ears a little more than 0.54" so that the ears clear that inner ridge of the rotor recess.

(https://s30.postimg.org/o984nw5cx/image.jpg)

The stock Escort loaded calipers did NOT need any modification at all, they clear the 266mm Galant rotors by about the thickness of a credit card when the caliper is bolted in place. The width between the pads is just exactly enough to take the Galant rotor with only minor contact like all brakes seem to rub lightly. The stock Capri caliper does NOT fit the thicker rotor being 1/8" tighter between the pads than the Escort calipers (which barely fit) are.

(https://s30.postimg.org/lqmfn7jmp/image.jpg)
A little more measuring reveals where the Escort pads shine through. They measure at the same width front to back that is, but they are a full 1/4" taller than the Capri pads, and that makes all the difference. The two rotors are maybe 1/16" different in diameter, the Galant being only slightly taller, but those Escort pads take advantage of rotor meat closer to the hub that was unused by the Capri pads. Those Galant rotors weigh at least twice what the Capri rotors do, which is not good, but maybe it won't kill too much performance. I can extract some more boost to overcome the loss if I feel the upgrade loses performance.

I think I'll wait a few more weeks to pull the switch since we have 28th Street Metro Cruze next weekend (25-26th) in Grand Rapids. I'll be there and hope a few of my fellow Michiganders make it alongside me.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: chrispoe on August 21, 2017, 07:23:06 PM
The piston in the Escort GT calipers is a larger diameter at 54mm vs the Capri's original 50.8mm, which gives more braking power with the same amount of force applied to the pedal.

One other modification that will be required is the Capri's hyd brake hose won't bolt up to the Escort caliper cuz the end fitting has a longer locator pin.  To solve this issue I just filed a slot in the caliper casting to accommodate the Capri's hose fitting. 
As shown in the pic by the red line.
(http://i.imgur.com/0Qtapn9.png)
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on August 21, 2017, 09:07:26 PM
Thanks for that important tip, Chrispoe, I'll check it out and grind it out before I start. Here's a few more views. I agree with the concerns some have expressed about the slide pin length. They do fit, but the Escort bolts were a little too long so I reused a Capri bolt and I did chew up one slide pin rubber seal in my trial but I have spares. If you look, you can see how much the slides protrude. I think it is a consequence of the size of the rotor and the pads being full thickness with shims included (they were loaded calipers). I could pull the shims if I want a little more leeway.

(https://s30.postimg.org/e9w3xvh29/image.jpg)

(https://s30.postimg.org/thc3i88wx/image.jpg)

(https://s30.postimg.org/3oc8lvaqp/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on August 23, 2017, 06:22:42 PM
Couldn't you just swap the front brake hose to a Escort hose and not grind it down? I bought a set of stainless steel hoses with the intention of doing that. That's awesome to know that I can use my stock knuckles aswell, that means I'll be putting my BBK on soon!
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on August 23, 2017, 08:25:26 PM
I've read a ton about this upgrade and somewhere I seem to remember something about the Escort hoses being too short. Maybe I can verify that.

Snake, do make sure that your N/A (if that's what you have) has the larger brakes. Apparently with N/A's it depended on what was on the shelf when they grabbed for front brakes when they were building them. Before you count on using those knuckles measure them - the 94 N/A rotors I pealed off measure 10-1/8" diameter.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on October 07, 2017, 10:31:53 AM
I’m thinking of doing the upgrade today but I depend on this car for work on Monday, so I hope I don’t run into any showstoppers. I reread this thread and I have two questions if anyone has experience with the upgrade.

First, my pads barely fit on the rotors since they are loaded calipers. I’m thinking to remove one shim from each side and just apply a thin coat of disk brake quiet so I can gain a better freewheel and since heat makes everything expand maybe I should do this? Is there a reason not to do this? The rotors rotate in there but there is light drag.

Second question - these loaded Escort calipers clear the top of the rotor just enough to slide in 2 business cards thickness (I don’t own a feeler gauge). So must I grind some of the caliper casting out of there between the pads? It does clear.

Answers will help me dive into this today.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on October 07, 2017, 12:01:56 PM
I would grind the caliper throat just a bit - things will expand and gaps will close a bit when things heat up

I do recall that new pads are a tight fit, I don't remember doing anything about it though
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on October 09, 2017, 10:15:55 PM
Thanks Matt, I didn't have enough time to do the whole job, and I had to drive it this morning so I did the final perpetrations so I can complete it in a few weeks. I did grind a little more clerance so the tops of the rotors have enough space for sure.

 I was going to leave in the shims as well, but when I tightened the caliper bolts it was just way too tight so I took one shim out of each set and now with the bolts tight the pads only lightly touch. I used some CRC spray-on disk break quiet on the back of the pads and the caliper ears in place of the outer shims, but kept the inner shims that cover the piston cups.

I went ahead and packed the bearings and put them in baggies until I can ge to it.
Maybe in two weeks. I have a family get together next weekend back in Illinois.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on October 17, 2017, 07:31:56 PM
I have a few questions. I just went back and reread how to change the bearings in the front brakes, and I wanted to make sure that the spacer was machined only to the knuckle and not the hub. I had lost my spacers when I took the knuckle apart to send the hubs off to Matt to get machined down. I currently have a new set of knuckles coming so I wanted to make sure that I can swap in my machined hub, and just use the correct knuckle to hub spacer. I also was wondering what is this caliper throat you guys keep talking about, and where abouts is it? Sorry for the stupid questions this is my hobby and I still have alot to learn!
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on October 17, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Yes, the spacers are matched to the knuckles.

The caliper throat is the bridge between the inside & outside of the caliper, where the edge of the brake rotor would come close to. You'll see it when you are putting things together
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on November 23, 2017, 08:51:20 PM
Last weekend, I finally got around to putting it all together. I used Motil DOT 5.1 brake fluid and flushed the whole system as best I could with a mighty-vac and pedal bleeding.

My impression is that braking seems a little better, but the pedal could be firmer, making me wonder if I should get it power-bled at a shop. Might be that she needs a master cylinder too.


(https://s2.postimg.org/l8s26rreh/B2_CC314_B-7_D34-40_D7-9669-3_D7_C99_E28391.jpg)
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on November 23, 2017, 10:15:54 PM
There is a bit of pedal firmness sacrificed in the upgrade, the bores on the pistons are larger and it throws the ratio off just a bit. A larger bore Master Cylinder would firm the pedal feel back up.

I've looked into a few upgrades. It's a bit of a problem as the Capri MC has an integrated proportioning valve, which is somewhat unusual. I believe they did it to save space.
So the theoretical combo I came up with was to use a Miata brake booster and prop valve (which mounts to the booster, right next to the MC), with a MC from an EVO which I cannot remember the year or gen of. (some digging into Miata upgrades may liberate the info) This would get us to a 1" or larger bore. This would be a fair bit of work, and I'm not certain the booster would bolt onto the firewall but it's a 4 bolt pattern and some basic fabbing might get it to work. This would of course require re-working all of the brake lines on the firewall, as well.
Again, this is all theoretical, and I'm not sure if the prop valve ratios would work, but it'd be cheap

I thought the Capri had 15/16" bore but I cannot locate any sources to corroborate this at the moment
The 323 has a 7/8" bore but it appears the Wagon model also has a 15/16" bore
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: chrispoe on November 23, 2017, 11:16:08 PM
The Capri's master cylinder is only 13/16.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on November 24, 2017, 01:25:52 PM
Anybody have a rust free dust shield. The set on both my pair of knuckles are really bad.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on March 28, 2018, 06:18:15 PM
Can anyone confirm if these are the right Disk Specs?
Outer Diameter:265mm
Height:49mm
Nom Thick:10mm
Min Thick: 8.4mm
Hub Reg:90mm
Bolt SIze:12.5mm
Bolt Circle: 4x114.3
Weight: 9lbs
This would be much appreciated if i can confirm these are right.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on March 28, 2018, 09:27:32 PM
265mm is correct for the overall diameter, but the rest of those specs look way off. The Galant disks I got from RockAuto are 265.7mm (close enough) but they are 24mm thick. Have you looked at the two links I posted from RockAuto earlier in this thread? If you dig around enough on RockAuto you will find the full specs for those rotors. They have a button on the desktop webpage for fitment as well, it will tell you which vehicles a given part number from a maker fits. These fit some Dodge Colts as well.

Mine (Beck/Arnley 083-2313) have a 69mm hub opening and the overall width is 46.6mm from face to back of disk, subtract the 24mm disk thickness to come up with a 22.6mm protrusion for the hub to nest within.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: chrispoe on March 29, 2018, 12:10:16 AM
Can anyone confirm if these are the right Disk Specs?
Outer Diameter:265mm
Height:49mm
Nom Thick:10mm
Min Thick: 8.4mm
Hub Reg:90mm
Bolt SIze:12.5mm
Bolt Circle: 4x114.3
Weight: 9lbs
This would be much appreciated if i can confirm these are right.

The 10mm thickness would indicate that these are rear rotors, you need the front ones that are 24mm thick.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: SHOwn on March 29, 2018, 06:11:49 AM
I thought that as well Chris. Here is my earlier post on what to buy, these will cost you around $22 total delivered for the pair...

[Quote...
RockAuto has the following:
I found the 91 Dodge Colt Vista 4wd front has that fitment. They show a Raybestos 8402R as 266mm

Under 85-87 Galant with front disk/rear drum
Beck/Arnley 0832313 matches and has better specs and only $7.65 each!
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=492701&cc=1206065&jnid=655&jpid=16

I ordered those, but when they arrived, I was alarmed at how heavy they were, and that Rocket's original post shows a pic of almost square vent holes in his rotors, the beck-arnly's seem to have such thick friction slabs that the vents are rectangular slits. I thought I should try another brand of 266mm rotors so, for only $4.84 each, I'd try them as well.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/bendix,141320,rotor,1896
(Bendix 141320)

Once those arrived they proved to be identical to the Beck-Arnlys, so I guess now I have spares since the ship back cost is more than the refund! Aah, but they were very cheap.

They also show the Centric 12146014 (not as nice but seems to confirm the fitment) ...Quote]

I've put about 5k on the Bendix rotors so far and kept the Beck/Arnley's as spares. Buy em cheap.

Hope this helps.
Ron
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: WashiestSnake on March 29, 2018, 03:05:54 PM
Intresting from where I was looking it was listed as fronts, seems as though it's impossible to get slotted rotors from the front.
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: Rocketman on March 31, 2018, 05:30:53 PM
Don't bother with the slotted or slotted/drilled rotors - they end up causing issues long term. They're intended for track cars with aggressive pads that off-gas a lot (the features vent the gasses). These get replaced often on a track car and don't stay on long.

The slotted/drilled rotors tend to develop small cracks, and don't do much as street pad materials dont off-gas like a track pad would
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: belleaudb on February 21, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Some changes have been made to my original post. Those changes are in BOLD.

I have ordered the parts for my Big Brake conversion. I will get started once temperatures get into the 60's.

Here is what I have ordered:

A1 Cardone Ultra weatherproof coated calipers: 19P1337A left, 19P1336A right

Bendix TitaniuMetallic pads: MKD473

Centric 12146014 rotors  x2

Timken SET11 bearings  x4

National 710323 outer seal   x2

National 4990 inner seal   x2

Dorman 610543 wheel stud  x8  M12-1.50 ; 12.95mm Knurl; 53.0mm Length (longer for my aftermarket wheels)

I utilized wheel studs that were longer than specified in the original article. The studs specified would allow only 5 turns of the lug nuts to torque down the wheels. Not enough thread engagement for my comfort. So I went with even longer studs which will allow more thread engagement.

My friend has a lathe that will be used to turn the hubs down. At the same time I will also be making hubcentric spacers from aluminum.

I will be painting the rotor hats and outer edge with VHT high temperature clear paint to keep the rotors from rusting.

Bearings will be packed with Mobil 1 synthetic grease.

The last time I replaced the front bearings (2010)  it was impossible to use my hydraulic press for some of the work. This time I have a new Press support block plate which will allow the spindle to be supported properly.

My total cost for all the parts and supplies came to just under $150.00

I am ready for winter to be finished. I have spring fever now!!!
Title: Re: Galant Brake Upgrade (Big Brake Kit!)
Post by: greywolf27030 on February 21, 2019, 05:32:38 PM
I have ordered the parts for my Big Brake conversion. I will get started once temperatures get into the 60's.

Here is what I have ordered:

A1 Cardone Ultra weatherproof coated calipers: 19P1337A left, 19P1336A right

Bendix TitaniuMetallic pads: MKD473

Centric 12146014 rotors  x2

Timken SET11 bearings  x4

National 710323 outer seal   x2

National 4990 inner seal   x2

Dorman 610518 wheel stud  x8  M12-1.50 ; 12.95mm Knurl; 43.0mm Length


My friend has a lathe that will be used to turn the hubs down. At the same time I will also be making hubcentric spacers.

I will be painting the rotor hats and outer edge with VHT high temperature clear paint to keep the rotors from rusting.

Bearings will be packed with Mobil 1 synthetic grease.

The last time I replaced the front bearings (2010)  it was impossible to use my hydraulic press for some of the work. This time I have a new Press support block plate which will allow the spindle to be supported properly.

My total cost for all the parts and supplies came to just under $150.00

I am ready for winter to be finished. I have spring fever now!!!

Cool....Jack Byrd