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[mcanchola2]

i was just wondering ok. A few years ago I attended an illegal race jijiji     and I was shocked when this guy with a honda hatchback smoked a srt-4 and a evo. I know the srt-4 was a lil mod he is the fastest srt-4 here in the valley till date. Dont know about the evo other than he was boosting more than stock. Poor srt-4 and evo never had a chance not even the evo with awd the hatchback came out first on both races .

The hatchback had no turbo it was a all-motor with no spray
Has anyone made a capri like this. all-motor instead of the turbo mod?

[Gostlrs]

Honda guys have 200+ HP engines that they can swap, then throw in some internal work they can get 300+ on a 2000lb car..That equals fast

No way the stock 1.6 B6 can do that without forced performance...

[Rocketman]

I think there are a handful all motor hondas running 300+ whp. Slap that in a gutted car like a CRX that would only weigh 1800lbs or less, and yeah you'll have an EVO killer. But Those motors are built to the hilt - super high compression, oversized valves, ridiculous cam grinds, blueprinted/balanced bottom end, dyno tuned standalone, maybe ITB's, etc. You can turn 9K+ RPM out of them.

But you're also talking an EASY $10,000 into the motor... you can put half that into a nice turbo setup and make twice the power much more reliably...

There's been a whole bunch of Escort/Protege guys that have built all motor BP's - they breathe so much better than the anemic B6. I think they've put down 180whp or better with ITBs, but it's been a while since I looked. I am building ITB sets that would fit the B6 though, so I may attempt it someday for shits 'n giggles, but the BP is where you will make much more serious power - both N/A & turbo.

 

Also, you'd wanna ditch the n/a Ftype transmission pretty quickly    

My 2¢
-Rocket

[mcanchola2]

thats tru... hey rocket nice ITB  good luck with that

[Gostlrs]

KA guys run those a lot...

[sterling94capri]

I grew up in Nor Cal. Even back in the day guys had hidden NOS systems.That can also explain how a grocery getter can beat a "modified" car.Just sayin,Rocky.

[mcanchola2]

thats true but this guy had no nos

[Gostlrs]

Like rocket said he has at least 10k into it

there is a evo running 12s here at the track all day with a retune & simple bolt on's. Give one of those cars the same spending limits & it would even be a close match.

Kinda why I like the DSM's It is truly bang for the buck. Stock block can handle 500+ hp & be reliable at it.

[Chicken]

Hence the popularity. Its not too hard to put other Honda motors in the Honda car of your choice. Most honda motors wont float valves in the 9k's stock. Less than $3000 and not much of a build, mostly stock, gots the vtec, add a little hondatech and a good driver. Feather weight car and drivetrain. Nothing very exotic (sadly).

But I've seen some VERY affordable turbo kits on them too.

Anemic B6???  Be nice.  Where does that come from?

Evos arent much of a drag car.  The new ones are very well electronicaly protected.  I think Russ has some good bragging numbers for a capri.  Lots of B6 builds in other cars though. The Capri looks sportier than it is.

[Rocketman]

Anemic is on the nice side of describing it  

Where does that come from? I used to run a pretty maxed out B6T, and I am now running a BP+T (1.8 + turbo) The difference in the powerband is incredible, so much more power over a broader range. The ports in the head are substantially larger, even if it's only .2L larger - it can breathe! The 1.6 feels like it's wheezing when I drive them anymore  

[CapriTypeR]

I agree with Matt....except these motors aren't anemic, they're asthmatic! These poor little things can't breath! I've driven the GTXR2 - HUGE difference between the 1.6, and the 1.8!!

[sterling94capri]

Russ,did the cams you put in one of your capris help with the breathing enough to justify the cost?Rocky

[CapriTypeR]

YES!! However, I got $800 cams for only $100! It pays to search the internet......

[Chicken]

The choking isn't in the engine on the b6.  When I feel the motors in perspective of what the motors sizes are, the BP to B6 feels about right as does the BPT and b6T. Most horsepower claims are on the same curve.

The low end starts where I want it in the 1.8, I can agree with that.  

200cc alone is probably 20hp.  Add it to 1600cc already there and its even more efficient.  Thats about the same thrill a turbo adds to the B6 without the higher chamber temps etc etc etc.  Size is so important, Mazda kept growing their motors.

If you get the chance, try the F2 2000cc. Its dated and not even a broad headed doch, but very easy to feel the bigger cc's.
 
The B6 breathes fine.  It just wants modern cams.

I was hoping there was a link to a flow bench.

[CapriTypeR]

I disagree. The B6 does not breath, and the problem is not with the cams...it's in the valves. The BP head had valves that are almost 60% larger than the  B6's. The difference is stunning. The cams I installed have higher lift and longer duration.....allowing the puny valves to work a little more efficiently, but I still need to work with what is there. Until someone re-works a B6 head to use much larger valves, these engines will continue to gasp for air like an elderly life-time chain smoker on a hike in the Himalayas...