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Rocketman

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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2016, 10:08:10 PM »
1.8 rods will work. Pistons will not. Manifolds will not (engine is longer, port spacing is way off)

TX3 stuff is likely the same B6T stuff as the turbo capri B6T stuff
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DarkAngel

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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2016, 10:14:53 PM »
Ah, I may be getting the Mazda 323 gtx and Laser TX3 bits confused...

I have a bid on a Laser TX3 conrod and piston set... so do these fit the B6T ?
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2016, 11:03:35 PM »
They are the same bits as a B6T. The only upgraded rods were in the 323 GTX, not even in the 323 GT model.

Here's some reading with other good interchange info, some of it is a bit dated but otherwise good: http://www.solomiata.com/Mx5Engine.html
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DarkAngel

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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2016, 11:16:35 PM »
Thanks Rocketman, I'll look into that...
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2016, 09:20:41 AM »
Well now I am really confused, the tx3 conrod guy said this...

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Gday Marcus
I think there has been a miscommunication ,
The con rods that are attached to these cast pistons are indeed the exact same conrods
As the ones that come in the Mazda gtx
(Not Gtr) of the corresponding Mazda 323 or familia model , BF I think?? Maybe BG model..

They were installed on a rebuild motor that was going to be turbo'ed only difference is they have cast ( not forged ) Pistons on top of them ,
Easy fix...

And

The rods are design for factory 8 psi and peak of 14.7 psi ( set by factory ADR comp )
If you are going to run 12 - 15 psi all day long you will indeed need forged rods , they only come in the Japanese Gtr familia 4wd or the Japanese ford tx3 4wd .
Aftermarket stuff may be easier to find / upgrade ??
Cheers


Anyhoo, I have followed teamcapri site protocol and opened a new thread in the technical forum here
« Last Edit: June 30, 2016, 09:22:56 AM by DarkAngel »
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2016, 04:35:08 PM »
1.8 intake manifold will not fit
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WashiestSnake

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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #81 on: June 30, 2016, 10:02:40 PM »
Quote from: DarkAngel on June 30, 2016, 09:20:41 AM
Well now I am really confused, the tx3 conrod guy said this...

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Gday Marcus
I think there has been a miscommunication ,
The con rods that are attached to these cast pistons are indeed the exact same conrods
As the ones that come in the Mazda gtx
(Not Gtr) of the corresponding Mazda 323 or familia model , BF I think?? Maybe BG model..

They were installed on a rebuild motor that was going to be turbo'ed only difference is they have cast ( not forged ) Pistons on top of them ,
Easy fix...

And

The rods are design for factory 8 psi and peak of 14.7 psi ( set by factory ADR comp )
If you are going to run 12 - 15 psi all day long you will indeed need forged rods , they only come in the Japanese Gtr familia 4wd or the Japanese ford tx3 4wd .
Aftermarket stuff may be easier to find / upgrade ??
Cheers


Anyhoo, I have followed teamcapri site protocol and opened a new thread in the technical forum here
BP is a different motor, its atleast a inch longer. Some stuff transfers since its just a larger B6 but not most stuff. Sorry if I confused you on that. I meant that it might be the BP piston when I said the BP was offered in later TX3s, but I'm glad I was able to help. If there is anything else feel free to message me or ask on here at any time, but I don't always have internet so I may take awhile to get back.
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DarkAngel

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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2016, 10:07:11 PM »
Soooo... in short, are the con rods going to fit in a B6T ?

Btw the con rods in question are from a laser tx3 which apparently would fit a KC or KE model
« Last Edit: June 30, 2016, 10:15:30 PM by DarkAngel »
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2016, 11:25:54 PM »
Quote from: DarkAngel on June 30, 2016, 10:07:11 PM
Soooo... in short, are the con rods going to fit in a B6T ?

Btw the con rods in question are from a laser tx3 which apparently would fit a KC or KE model
Yes they should fit the stroke isn't different on a BP only the bore, that's why the piston is larger. I have no idea what a KC or a KE model is, I only know about the TX3 because I've studied the GTXs, and heard that its a rebadged GTX. This is why I don't like the Australian modeling, it makes everything confusing when you try to talk to us Americans who only know years.

I don't know much about Lasers other then its a rebadged 323, I'm guessing a KC is equivalent of a BF 323, and a KE is a BG. But either way it shouldn't matter, its gonna fit. Make sure to buy that ARP kit, and a good set of bearings when you buy your rebuild kit.
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2016, 02:50:42 AM »
The KE, KC I assume is a type of Ford Laser...
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WashiestSnake

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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2016, 03:17:33 AM »
Quote from: DarkAngel on July 01, 2016, 02:50:42 AM
The KE, KC I assume is a type of Ford Laser...
Lol no i mean i wasnt sure about what those chasis codes translated to 323 chasis code wise, because normally people who own Lasers dont come on here or ClubProtege. I was correct about what it was equivalent to i did a quick google search on them. Jeez i really do end up rambeling on here alot  :-\
What have you ordered/started doing so far if you mind me asking?

Anyway Cheers Mike
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2016, 03:34:15 AM »
It's winter here... very cold, freezing in fact... work on car = zero, (kinda like the temperature.)

I have however purchased / ordered the following ...
  • the Alpine surround sound system, including central speaker
  • some clover hay and stud mix for my guinea pigs
  • 91 Capri xr2 turbo donor car
  • upgraded con rods and bearings
  • 5th gear cog, VJ11 turbo bits, rear side lights
  • fingerless thermalite gloves
  • half a sheep in my freezer
  • spare clubsprint wheel to replace the stock trolley wheel in my boot

Tommorrow is voting day, and the traditional sausage sizzles at voting booths await those venturing out.
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WashiestSnake

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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2016, 03:40:09 AM »
Quote from: DarkAngel on July 01, 2016, 03:34:15 AM
It's winter here... very cold, freezing in fact... work on car = zero, (kinda like the temperature.)

I have however purchased / ordered the following ...
  • the Alpine surround sound system, including central speaker
  • some clover hay and stud mix for my guinea pigs
  • 91 Capri xr2 turbo donor car
  • upgraded con rods and bearings
  • 5th gear cog, VJ11 turbo bits, rear side lights
  • fingerless thermalite gloves
  • half a sheep in my freezer
  • spare clubsprint wheel to replace the stock trolley wheel in my boot

Tommorrow is voting day, and the traditional sausage sizzles at voting booths await those venturing out.
Jeez i would kill for a set of Clubsprint wheel they look so good, too bad shipping is 2k here to the States.
Thats a pretty big list, lol its really got me itching to get my Capri back on the road so I can start my build.
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2016, 03:46:38 AM »
Well... this is my 50th post...

Save your 2k and buy another Capri  :)

Edit: I'm now a junior member... now I'm going to celebrate with a hot cup of coffee and a chocky biscuit
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Re: Black Pearl SE XR2 turbo upgrade
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2016, 03:57:26 AM »
Quote from: DarkAngel on July 01, 2016, 03:46:38 AM
Well... this is my 50th post...

Save your 2k and buy another Capri  :)

Edit: I'm now a junior member... now I'm going to celebrate with a hot cup of coffee and a chocky biscuit
Hey Angel have you ever seen Mighty Car Mods: Lend Us A Ride? If you havent it involves 2 Aussies who mod their cars, but the whole point is theyre trying to get to the Outback with just lent cars. In about 2 of the episodes their is a Capri, which has since been given away to the people who do the Shitbox Rally.
If you havent seen its pretty funny although a bit scripted.  If it was not for that program I would have never gotten or even heard about Capris.
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