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Author Topic: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?  (Read 9591 times)

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Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« on: September 24, 2013, 11:11:17 AM »

Who's gonna have the first V6 Capri? It's now a pretty common swap on the BF 323 (the same chassis we are built on) so it should work for us...

Theoretical swap requirements:
-Transmission differential swap to retain 26-spline axles?
-Pedal swap (xr2 to V6) to hydraulic clutch master. Or a cable to hydro linkage (these exist, mechanical lever/hinge system)
-Custom engine mounts
-Cooling system modifications - the V6 has a very different routing than we do
-Major wiring

The swap should not require any cutting of the frame rails, the V6 is approx the same length as the stock engine.
My major concerns are firewall clearance and headight bucket clearance

WHO'S IT GONNA BE??
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 02:07:34 AM »

What cars did the KL's come in?
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 01:55:38 AM »

lets see. USDM got the KLDE (164hp)

93-97 Probe GT
93-97 Mazda MX-6 (some models)
94-02 Mazda Millenia (some models)

Also readily available from JDM importers as the KLZE motor (200hp) quite a handful of overseas vehicles got the KLZE
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 03:53:37 AM »

Omg. I hope somebody busts into this swap. This would be sick!!
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 12:33:17 PM »





Well, it fits without cutting anything. Get to work, folks!
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 12:40:09 AM »

I raced a coworkers K20 swapped civic coupe with my XR2 pushin 14-15psi and got walked on. I wouldn't mind a swap too. 200HP stock KLZE... But what transmission would be best?
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 01:08:42 AM »

A stock KL transmission with the XR2 diff swapped into it. There's no other options beyond that, other than custom/adapter plate
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2014, 02:09:58 PM »

That sounds like more than I can handle. The diff swap would be difficult.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/cto/4504803140.html

Local enough, a GS MX3 I could use for donor parts. Pick up the KLZE off eBay and use my VJ off the XR2 for 5PSI of extra HP! Maybe that is too much work... But the KLZE swap would be nuts. Can the stock (XR2) axles be used with the KL trans ?
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2014, 04:04:53 PM »

The MX3 came with the 1.8 V6 - you don't really want that. The wire harness from it would be helpful though.

"Damkid" Did a writeup on the diff swap. There's info on ClubProtege and FordFestiva.com . You could also buy an MFactory LSD for the Capri (it will fit in the V6 trans) this way you get the benefit of the LSD + being able to use stock axles.

The V6 transmission uses 28 spline inner axle stubs, the Capri uses 26 spline, so they won't play together without the diff swap. (the swap makes the v6 trans use 26 spline stubs) There's no other way that I know of to make a hybrid axle set, other than welding, or custom machined axle shafts - one isn't reliable and the other is $$$

The VJ14 is too small for the 1.6L. You do NOT want to put that on a KL lol. There's plenty of turbo KL's out there - check out probetalk.com for their setups, there's a few proven tried&true setups. Most of them are over the 300whp mark, with 2.5L at your disposal it doesn't take much boost to make a ton of power
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2014, 05:41:44 PM »

Thanks for the info Matt. I honestly want to make this KLZE happen.

http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?18065-How-To-V6-Swap-Guide

In this the author claims a GS MX3 is what's best. I know this is a lot of work and I am filled with questions.

I can pick up that local GS for 1k should I do it?
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2014, 05:53:23 PM »

Keep in mind that the guide is written for BG or other chassis, not the BF, and certainly not the Capri. The only thing you'd use from the MX3 is the transmission & possibly wiring harness, and I think their transmission has the shortest final drive available. With a Probe GT/MX6/626 drivetrain you have the trans, wire harness, and 2.5L engine available. Piecing a swap together with a ZE & random parts would be more difficult IMO. I planned on doing the stock USDM KL engine, getting it running/driving first, then swapping to a ZE later on if I felt the need.

I have a Probe GT drivetrain & wiring harness (pictured sitting in the Capri chassis) sadly I have not had the time to touch it since putting it there.
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2014, 06:15:43 PM »

I know using the ZE would be harder but it's a better motor. I saw someone using the DE engine and swapping ZE parts to it.. So it would be better to find a probe GT than MX3GS for our chassis. Well There is one GT with a 5speed under 130k locally but the KLDE is blowing blue smoke. Wouldn't be a bad investment. Take what I need to swap in a JDM ZE and make the money back parting the rest. What additional parts would be required outside of a GT donor?
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 04:57:19 AM »

Youll need the different diff whether it be a stock XR2 diff or a 26 spline Mfactory unit.
Motor mounts will be custom, and I havent had a chance to work out the cooling system yet. I think a stock radiator will work with some creative hose routing.

The ZE isnt the KL holy grail anymore - its a hybrid motor made by using KLG4, DE, and ZE components. If I remember right it's a g4 bottom end, de heads & ze cams? Maybe I dont remember. It's a mish-mosh of bits though. The ZE has some weak points, as does the De and the G4.

But the ZE is 'easier' to drop in & go ill give it that
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 04:01:50 PM »

I heard the mounts would be the same except for one that had to be donated. I am looking for the most cost effective power making engine combination. I plan to order a JDM ZE. Do Maintenance on a stand possibly some other mods if needed. For the swap I will use a donor probe GT but what year is best? I want to use it's harness and transmission. Get the LSD and use the XR2 axles. What is the best ecu and vaf to use?
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Re: Who's gonna be the first to swap in a KL V6?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2014, 10:48:38 AM »

I just saw this thread.  I'm swapping a stock XR2 engine into a car I'm building and I have to do something with the axles.

I'm using 1995 Thunderbird axle shafts (they have an O.D. of 1.08" and I believe they are 36 splines).  The XR 2 inner CV joints are 1.08" O.D..  I measured the cut part of the spline to be 1.01" - 1.02" or so.

Dutchman axles (    http://www.dutchmanaxles.com/services    ) told me they can respline my T-Bird axles to match the XR 2 inners for $135 for the pair.

If the O.D. of the V6's axle shafts is equal to or larger than the XR 2's inners (1.08") resplining may be an option for you.

If not, "The Driveshaft Shop"  ( 704- 633- 2380 ) can make you new axle shafts.  They quoted me $600 - $800 for the pair.  That's certainly not cheap but it's not a deal breaker either.  I can't remember for sure but I think they told me they guarantee the new shafts are good for 600 hp  (don't quote me - it's been a while since I talked to them).

Splicing axles is not out of the question either.  A decent machinist with a good lathe can turn the larger shaft down to the same diameter as the smaller shaft (if necessary) then chamfer the ends.  A good welder can weld them, slip a piece of DOM over the weld and weld that.  Drill a couple hardened steel pins through each end and I really think they'd hold 300 horse without too much trouble.

So the axle part of this problem isn't insurmountable.

Additionally, switching to a hydraulic slave cylinder at the trans isn't hard at all.  Wilwood makes a really nice "pull-type" slave cylinder that you can fit without too much trouble.



(I'll replace that 5/16" bolt with a grade 8 bolt)




Make a bracket with some good bracing and it should work fine:



So there ares some possibilities for the axle shafts for you and the clutch / slave cylinder mods are easy and will cost you around $100. 

Hopefully that'll help y'all a bit.

Good luck!

Dave
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